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	<title>Comments on: Joy: Seeking and Using God’s Gift</title>
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		<title>By: Joy: Seeking and Using God&#8217;s Gift &#171; FUNDAMENTAL JOY!!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joy: Seeking and Using God&#8217;s Gift &#171; FUNDAMENTAL JOY!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But they are exquisitely sensitive to any move to capture or control them.&#8221;  A quote from Dr. Wally from his blog.  Follow the link to read the entire, great [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] But they are exquisitely sensitive to any move to capture or control them.&#8221;  A quote from Dr. Wally from his blog.  Follow the link to read the entire, great [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Charmaine</title>
		<link>http://www.drwally.org/moving-from-selfhood/joy-seeking-and-using-god%e2%80%99s-gift/comment-page-1/#comment-462</link>
		<dc:creator>Charmaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The culture of the church and the doctrine of the church&quot;  I like spelling out the differences because they can be huge and if the doctrine is not strong enough in the soul the culture can drive you out.  I saw it happen to my daughter at age 15 after some years of not feeling accepted by the culture because she was different.  Now that she has returned I see her learning the doctrine and using her difference to appeal to those who need her understanding.  Thank you God for second chances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The culture of the church and the doctrine of the church&#8221;  I like spelling out the differences because they can be huge and if the doctrine is not strong enough in the soul the culture can drive you out.  I saw it happen to my daughter at age 15 after some years of not feeling accepted by the culture because she was different.  Now that she has returned I see her learning the doctrine and using her difference to appeal to those who need her understanding.  Thank you God for second chances.</p>
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		<title>By: Claudia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claudia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wally -- Very interesting that you should ask a question of the cultures of churches vs. the doctrines of different faiths.  Certainly, there can be a link between the two, but I will never forget the advice of a dear friend in my ward shortly after I was baptized into the LDS church at 19.  She said, &quot;There is the culture of the church, and the doctrine of the church.  The two are not always the same.&quot;  

I have pondered this statement over the years.  I joined the church in the mission field, then moved to Salt Lake City as a young bride two years later.  As a young mother, certainly there was a culture in the church of what I should do/be at that time, and honestly, I don&#039;t know that I was always very good at separating culture from doctrine.  I didn&#039;t always individualize my faith at the level I think I could have.  I did some things because of cultural expectations.

I grew up with strong Episcopal and Baptist influences.  Both faiths provided a firm foundation of a testimony of the Savior that later impacted my decision to join the LDS faith.  Both faiths also promoted a strong attenuation to communication with God through prayer and looking for His will in our lives on an individual basis.   I especially found this true in the Episcopal faith (which is the church I was mostly raised in).  I would say in some ways, because I found the culture of the Episcopal church to be very &#039;open&#039; in terms of membership expectations, that the culture encouraged one to look to God for personal revelation on a more individual level.  But, it was that same &#039;openness&#039; and ambiguity about doctrine that led to a very painful, humbling time in my life and questioning along the lines of,  &quot;Is what I believe enough or is there more?&quot;

As I have grown in the LDS faith, it is only recently that  I have been able to distinguish between cultural expectations and the doctrine of the gospel on a more individual, consistent level.  This is probably a factor of experience and age as much as the influence a culture can have on a person.  I am trying to make the doctrine of the gospel personal to my life on a more daily basis.  I believe this is what Heavenly Father wants with us -- this kind of intimate communication.  I like to term it &#039;informed obedience&#039; vs. &#039;blind obedience.&#039;  (Which being clinical faculty at a state university, I hear Mormons accused of the latter quite a bit.) 

In some ways, it is a &#039;returning&#039; to what I knew as I was raised, but on a much deeper level.  Cultural influences are present in ANY community.  I think Heavenly Father knew that and we can learn from those cultural experiences, even the difficult ones.  Isn&#039;t that what we do in the culture of family everyday?  

Though I don&#039;t remember specific teachings from other faiths about the role of and experiences with the Holy Ghost, I do remember being taught God would hear and answer prayers.  It was our job to look for those answers.  We were to look for what God was telling us in our hearts.  So, though the vocabulary might be different, I do believe the spiritual experience was very similar.  However, because I now have the gift of the Holy Ghost, I feel that gift brings with it a certain accountability I did not have before.  But that is for another discussion.  This reply is already long enough. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to share.  Warmly, Claudia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wally &#8212; Very interesting that you should ask a question of the cultures of churches vs. the doctrines of different faiths.  Certainly, there can be a link between the two, but I will never forget the advice of a dear friend in my ward shortly after I was baptized into the LDS church at 19.  She said, &#8220;There is the culture of the church, and the doctrine of the church.  The two are not always the same.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I have pondered this statement over the years.  I joined the church in the mission field, then moved to Salt Lake City as a young bride two years later.  As a young mother, certainly there was a culture in the church of what I should do/be at that time, and honestly, I don&#8217;t know that I was always very good at separating culture from doctrine.  I didn&#8217;t always individualize my faith at the level I think I could have.  I did some things because of cultural expectations.</p>
<p>I grew up with strong Episcopal and Baptist influences.  Both faiths provided a firm foundation of a testimony of the Savior that later impacted my decision to join the LDS faith.  Both faiths also promoted a strong attenuation to communication with God through prayer and looking for His will in our lives on an individual basis.   I especially found this true in the Episcopal faith (which is the church I was mostly raised in).  I would say in some ways, because I found the culture of the Episcopal church to be very &#8216;open&#8217; in terms of membership expectations, that the culture encouraged one to look to God for personal revelation on a more individual level.  But, it was that same &#8216;openness&#8217; and ambiguity about doctrine that led to a very painful, humbling time in my life and questioning along the lines of,  &#8220;Is what I believe enough or is there more?&#8221;</p>
<p>As I have grown in the LDS faith, it is only recently that  I have been able to distinguish between cultural expectations and the doctrine of the gospel on a more individual, consistent level.  This is probably a factor of experience and age as much as the influence a culture can have on a person.  I am trying to make the doctrine of the gospel personal to my life on a more daily basis.  I believe this is what Heavenly Father wants with us &#8212; this kind of intimate communication.  I like to term it &#8216;informed obedience&#8217; vs. &#8216;blind obedience.&#8217;  (Which being clinical faculty at a state university, I hear Mormons accused of the latter quite a bit.) </p>
<p>In some ways, it is a &#8216;returning&#8217; to what I knew as I was raised, but on a much deeper level.  Cultural influences are present in ANY community.  I think Heavenly Father knew that and we can learn from those cultural experiences, even the difficult ones.  Isn&#8217;t that what we do in the culture of family everyday?  </p>
<p>Though I don&#8217;t remember specific teachings from other faiths about the role of and experiences with the Holy Ghost, I do remember being taught God would hear and answer prayers.  It was our job to look for those answers.  We were to look for what God was telling us in our hearts.  So, though the vocabulary might be different, I do believe the spiritual experience was very similar.  However, because I now have the gift of the Holy Ghost, I feel that gift brings with it a certain accountability I did not have before.  But that is for another discussion.  This reply is already long enough. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to share.  Warmly, Claudia</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Claudia, I agree with you. I think we may be more proprietary with the Holy Ghost than we should be. God is trying to bless ALL of His children.
Based on your experiences in different churches, do you see very different ways that the cultures of those churches talk about the role and experience of the Holy Ghost?

-Wally</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claudia, I agree with you. I think we may be more proprietary with the Holy Ghost than we should be. God is trying to bless ALL of His children.<br />
Based on your experiences in different churches, do you see very different ways that the cultures of those churches talk about the role and experience of the Holy Ghost?</p>
<p>-Wally</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joy, as I understand God&#039;s doings, is delivered by the Holy Ghost. All of God&#039;s children have access to that supernal gift. Those who have made covenants by priesthood power have the right to constant companionship of God&#039;s helper. Oh! That we lived up to our privileges!

When I hear the expressions of joy made by those who don&#039;t yet have the priesthood-bestowed gift of the Holy Ghost, I wonder if many of them are not using their rights far better than those of us under covenant.

-Wally</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joy, as I understand God&#8217;s doings, is delivered by the Holy Ghost. All of God&#8217;s children have access to that supernal gift. Those who have made covenants by priesthood power have the right to constant companionship of God&#8217;s helper. Oh! That we lived up to our privileges!</p>
<p>When I hear the expressions of joy made by those who don&#8217;t yet have the priesthood-bestowed gift of the Holy Ghost, I wonder if many of them are not using their rights far better than those of us under covenant.</p>
<p>-Wally</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just know some more insights are forthcoming.

-Wally</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just know some more insights are forthcoming.</p>
<p>-Wally</p>
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		<title>By: Claudia</title>
		<link>http://www.drwally.org/moving-from-selfhood/joy-seeking-and-using-god%e2%80%99s-gift/comment-page-1/#comment-451</link>
		<dc:creator>Claudia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think any time we live according to God&#039;s divine principles, no matter what faith we practice, we are given a portion of the Spirit, and yes, joy is attendant at those times.

Even though one may not recognize the influence of the Holy Ghost as such, He can be present at those times.  I was a member of two different faiths growing up, and I often felt joy.  Perhaps then to experience joy is, in this sense, a gift of the Spirit, re a spiritual gift, whether we call it specifically that or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think any time we live according to God&#8217;s divine principles, no matter what faith we practice, we are given a portion of the Spirit, and yes, joy is attendant at those times.</p>
<p>Even though one may not recognize the influence of the Holy Ghost as such, He can be present at those times.  I was a member of two different faiths growing up, and I often felt joy.  Perhaps then to experience joy is, in this sense, a gift of the Spirit, re a spiritual gift, whether we call it specifically that or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love what you&#039;re doing - keep up the good work!</description>
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		<title>By: Candleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Candleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmmmm</description>
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		<title>By: Charmaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charmaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, is joy a function of the Holy Ghost or can others who don&#039;t have the spirit know true joy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, is joy a function of the Holy Ghost or can others who don&#8217;t have the spirit know true joy?</p>
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